<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Secrets Of Stealth Camping</title>
	<atom:link href="http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/</link>
	<description>Plan, prepare for, and promote your bicycle touring adventures.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:57:24 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/comment-page-1/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/?p=92#comment-2920</guid>
		<description>Different places call for different strategies.  In Ireland you will almost never find a place to camp that is not within some type of fence.  If the gate is not locked and there is no livestock then go right ahead.  You can try to ask someone for permission, they will either grant it or tell you it&#039;s not theirs to give.  Nobody has ever denied me permission.  Just try to keep away from spots where young hoodlums might be wandering around.  You can tell by the traces they leave, beer cans, etc...  

In Andalusia, Spain all private land seems to fenced off and often posted as well.  You might ask somebody but the farm houses seem to be at the end of long driveways, behind locked gates, with lots of barking dogs.  This leaves public park land which is illegal to camp on so you need to hide pretty well.  People out walking tend to mind their own business and law enforcement doesn&#039;t seem to stray far from their vehicles.  In Portugal it is also illegal but I&#039;ve observed a number of places where local people camp out near beaches pretty openly with no problem but then Portugal seems to a lot more relaxed than Spain.

In the Czech Republic there are so many places you can camp the challenge becomes finding one that is relatively dry and aesthetically pleasing with birch or oak trees on the edge of an open field with a view over a picturesque valley.  Planted pine forests are dark and kind of depressing IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different places call for different strategies.  In Ireland you will almost never find a place to camp that is not within some type of fence.  If the gate is not locked and there is no livestock then go right ahead.  You can try to ask someone for permission, they will either grant it or tell you it&#8217;s not theirs to give.  Nobody has ever denied me permission.  Just try to keep away from spots where young hoodlums might be wandering around.  You can tell by the traces they leave, beer cans, etc&#8230;  </p>
<p>In Andalusia, Spain all private land seems to fenced off and often posted as well.  You might ask somebody but the farm houses seem to be at the end of long driveways, behind locked gates, with lots of barking dogs.  This leaves public park land which is illegal to camp on so you need to hide pretty well.  People out walking tend to mind their own business and law enforcement doesn&#8217;t seem to stray far from their vehicles.  In Portugal it is also illegal but I&#8217;ve observed a number of places where local people camp out near beaches pretty openly with no problem but then Portugal seems to a lot more relaxed than Spain.</p>
<p>In the Czech Republic there are so many places you can camp the challenge becomes finding one that is relatively dry and aesthetically pleasing with birch or oak trees on the edge of an open field with a view over a picturesque valley.  Planted pine forests are dark and kind of depressing IMO.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: G Cronau</title>
		<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/comment-page-1/#comment-2853</link>
		<dc:creator>G Cronau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/?p=92#comment-2853</guid>
		<description>Nice article with some good tips, but I do have some objections to the name &quot;Stealth camping&quot; and some of the emphasis on &quot;slipping away undetected&quot;.

All of this seems to imply that when you camp in this way, you&#039;re doing something wrong or illegal. The fact of the matter is, in most states, you&#039;re NOT.

There is a basic concept in the common law of most states that holds that undeveloped, unfenced, *un-posted* private land is available for anyone to hike, camp, walk, and even hunt and fish on. And you&#039;re not doing anything wrong or illegal by doing so.

In order to use the land, it must be:
1.)  &quot;Undeveloped&quot;, ie: no houses or structures, no cultivated fields, no roads, no radio towers, etc. No sign of any kind of human construction. Just forests and wild fields.
2.) It can&#039;t be fenced in.
3.) It can&#039;t be &quot;Posted&quot;. Ie: There can&#039;t be any &quot;No hunting&quot; or &quot;No trespassing&quot; signs posted on the land.

If the land meets the above criteria in the states of: Alaska, Arizona,
Arkansas, California, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts,
Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey,
New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West
Virginia, or Wisconsin* then you are free to use the land to hike on, camp,
and even fish and hunt and you are NOT breaking the law.

You are also generally required not to remove or damage anything from
the land while you are there. And if the owner does show up and ask you
to leave, then you are trespassing from that moment on and you are
obliged to leave.

In the remaing 22 states, you are required to obtain the landowner&#039;s
permission before you can hunt or fish, BUT the ability to hike or camp
on the land without permission is still retained in most of those states.
I do not yet have a definative list on which states, if any, have extended
trespass to include hiking and camping.

You can google on &quot;posting statutes&quot; for more info.

*Wisconsin recently changed it&#039;s law so that a person who hunts or
fishes on unposted land without the owner&#039;s permission is guilty of trespass,
but it doesn&#039;t state whether hiking or camping is also included. I&#039;m still looking
into that one. I *WAS* someone aghast at the statement that this law was
changed so that all those &quot;ugly no tresspassing signs would no longer mar
the beauty of the Wisconsin roads&quot; !! So, in a nation that&#039;s increasingly more overweight and docile, it&#039;s more important that people driving on the roads not have to look at a couple tiny little signs that it is to make land available for people to actually get out and see the planet? Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article with some good tips, but I do have some objections to the name &#8220;Stealth camping&#8221; and some of the emphasis on &#8220;slipping away undetected&#8221;.</p>
<p>All of this seems to imply that when you camp in this way, you&#8217;re doing something wrong or illegal. The fact of the matter is, in most states, you&#8217;re NOT.</p>
<p>There is a basic concept in the common law of most states that holds that undeveloped, unfenced, *un-posted* private land is available for anyone to hike, camp, walk, and even hunt and fish on. And you&#8217;re not doing anything wrong or illegal by doing so.</p>
<p>In order to use the land, it must be:<br />
1.)  &#8220;Undeveloped&#8221;, ie: no houses or structures, no cultivated fields, no roads, no radio towers, etc. No sign of any kind of human construction. Just forests and wild fields.<br />
2.) It can&#8217;t be fenced in.<br />
3.) It can&#8217;t be &#8220;Posted&#8221;. Ie: There can&#8217;t be any &#8220;No hunting&#8221; or &#8220;No trespassing&#8221; signs posted on the land.</p>
<p>If the land meets the above criteria in the states of: Alaska, Arizona,<br />
Arkansas, California, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts,<br />
Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey,<br />
New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma,<br />
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West<br />
Virginia, or Wisconsin* then you are free to use the land to hike on, camp,<br />
and even fish and hunt and you are NOT breaking the law.</p>
<p>You are also generally required not to remove or damage anything from<br />
the land while you are there. And if the owner does show up and ask you<br />
to leave, then you are trespassing from that moment on and you are<br />
obliged to leave.</p>
<p>In the remaing 22 states, you are required to obtain the landowner&#8217;s<br />
permission before you can hunt or fish, BUT the ability to hike or camp<br />
on the land without permission is still retained in most of those states.<br />
I do not yet have a definative list on which states, if any, have extended<br />
trespass to include hiking and camping.</p>
<p>You can google on &#8220;posting statutes&#8221; for more info.</p>
<p>*Wisconsin recently changed it&#8217;s law so that a person who hunts or<br />
fishes on unposted land without the owner&#8217;s permission is guilty of trespass,<br />
but it doesn&#8217;t state whether hiking or camping is also included. I&#8217;m still looking<br />
into that one. I *WAS* someone aghast at the statement that this law was<br />
changed so that all those &#8220;ugly no tresspassing signs would no longer mar<br />
the beauty of the Wisconsin roads&#8221; !! So, in a nation that&#8217;s increasingly more overweight and docile, it&#8217;s more important that people driving on the roads not have to look at a couple tiny little signs that it is to make land available for people to actually get out and see the planet? Sheesh!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/comment-page-1/#comment-2623</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/?p=92#comment-2623</guid>
		<description>I suspect that there will be plenty of future readers of this post (despite the fact that the last reply was months ago). So I have this suggestion:

Instead of inquiring at the local police department, the inabitants of which I find are become increasingly paranoic in modern times, do what I do - go to the local fire station. Fire hall personel are nearly as much &#039;law enforcement&#039; as cops are.  But their attitudes are far more helpful, and you can always ask them to call the local cops for you to verify the legality of camping on county or city properties. This makes a huge difference. And more likely than not you will receive an invitation to stay with one of the fire firefighters in their home. So be prepared for such an invite . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that there will be plenty of future readers of this post (despite the fact that the last reply was months ago). So I have this suggestion:</p>
<p>Instead of inquiring at the local police department, the inabitants of which I find are become increasingly paranoic in modern times, do what I do &#8211; go to the local fire station. Fire hall personel are nearly as much &#8216;law enforcement&#8217; as cops are.  But their attitudes are far more helpful, and you can always ask them to call the local cops for you to verify the legality of camping on county or city properties. This makes a huge difference. And more likely than not you will receive an invitation to stay with one of the fire firefighters in their home. So be prepared for such an invite . . .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scooter Tramp Defined &#171; The Scooter Tramp</title>
		<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/comment-page-1/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooter Tramp Defined &#171; The Scooter Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/?p=92#comment-1342</guid>
		<description>[...] and you get Scooter Tramp. ride off on the scooter to wherever i wish. stay there for a while stealth camping, couch surfing, hostels, or renting. perhaps get a local job for a while or work for the host i [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and you get Scooter Tramp. ride off on the scooter to wherever i wish. stay there for a while stealth camping, couch surfing, hostels, or renting. perhaps get a local job for a while or work for the host i [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Darren Alff</title>
		<link>http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/the-secrets-of-stealth-camping/comment-page-1/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Alff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/?p=92#comment-1289</guid>
		<description>Yes, Rick. I do think one should try approaching the locals first. But sometimes that doesn&#039;t work. And sometimes there are simply no locals around (if you are in a real remote area), so that is when stealth camping really comes in handy. There is a time and place for it, but it&#039;s something many first time bike travelers do not consider, as they believe they have to be in a standard campground in order to actually camp. Stealth camping can really save you when used at the proper times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rick. I do think one should try approaching the locals first. But sometimes that doesn&#8217;t work. And sometimes there are simply no locals around (if you are in a real remote area), so that is when stealth camping really comes in handy. There is a time and place for it, but it&#8217;s something many first time bike travelers do not consider, as they believe they have to be in a standard campground in order to actually camp. Stealth camping can really save you when used at the proper times.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
